Nylon strings ?
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http://www.veilletteguitars.com/ Veillette has a nylon string bass, it’s short scale though…. dunno where you’d get strings but I bet it’s super warm sounding! radapaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I was under the impression that if you take a string designed to be >tuned A in an instrument with a scale length of 650mm [25.59"] (the >classical guitar) and put it in an instrument with a 34" scale (the >Sinsonido), something may not work well. > Hmm, not really. Bass strings aren’t really much thicker than decent-gauge > guitar strings in the same range… methinks .042 low E’s and suchlike > sound like shit 
> The standard bass D & G are about .065 and .045 right? I dunno about > lighter-gauge strings. But any way. They’re not far from the lowest two > strings on a real guitar string set (like .013-.056). They’re thicker on > the bass mostly because you need a more solid tone instead of being able > to wank. the way I’ve understood it > Henry, BTW, are you looking for bass-gauge nylon strings or long enough > guitar strings for piccolo playing? You mentioned double bass strings, so > I gather you’re going for the former, no? > I hear rockabilly players use thick (coloured too) nylon strings on their > URBs… haven’t ever seen them though. The problem with them is that you > can’t really play nylon strings with a bow.
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> I was under the impression that if you take a string designed to be > tuned A in an instrument with a scale length of 650mm [25.59"] (the > classical guitar) and put it in an instrument with a 34" scale (the > Sinsonido), something may not work well.
D’addario piccolo strings are exactly the same guage as their guitar strings, just a lot longer. They are under more tension than on the guitar though. > One of the causes of the Ashbory G string problem comes to mind…
Ashbory strings defy the laws of physics. — Derek — Many Hands – Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
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> Not if you store it in a black hole when not in use.
You can create one of those by bringing together a whole load of those silica gel packets – I believe you can get them cheap on eBay… — Derek — Many Hands – Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
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>>I was thinking the other way around, that the tension would be too much >for the nylon strings (longer scale, more tension) but I really don’t >have anything to back that up, it was just a thought. > I hear nylon strings sound bad on guitars meant for steel strings for this > reason (tho it’s the truss rod & overall rigidity of the construction that > causes this since it’s the same scale length, but any way). But since > Henry’s going to use them on the Sinsonido, it might not matter.
I was under the impression that if you take a string designed to be tuned A in an instrument with a scale length of 650mm [25.59"] (the classical guitar) and put it in an instrument with a 34" scale (the Sinsonido), something may not work well. One of the causes of the Ashbory G string problem comes to mind… Chris
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> I was under the impression that if you take a string designed to be > tuned A in an instrument with a scale length of 650mm [25.59"] (the > classical guitar) and put it in an instrument with a 34" scale (the > Sinsonido), something may not work well.
Hmm, not really. Bass strings aren’t really much thicker than decent-gauge guitar strings in the same range… methinks .042 low E’s and suchlike sound like shit The standard bass D & G are about .065 and .045 right? I dunno about lighter-gauge strings. But any way. They’re not far from the lowest two strings on a real guitar string set (like .013-.056). They’re thicker on the bass mostly because you need a more solid tone instead of being able to wank. the way I’ve understood it Henry, BTW, are you looking for bass-gauge nylon strings or long enough guitar strings for piccolo playing? You mentioned double bass strings, so I gather you’re going for the former, no? I hear rockabilly players use thick (coloured too) nylon strings on their URBs… haven’t ever seen them though. The problem with them is that you can’t really play nylon strings with a bow. — ( -
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A buddy of mine plays the Kora (a kind of west African harp). for strings he uses heavy gague nylon fishing wire!
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> I was thinking the other way around, that the tension would be too much > for the nylon strings (longer scale, more tension) but I really don’t > have anything to back that up, it was just a thought.
I hear nylon strings sound bad on guitars meant for steel strings for this reason (tho it’s the truss rod & overall rigidity of the construction that causes this since it’s the same scale length, but any way). But since Henry’s going to use them on the Sinsonido, it might not matter. — ( -
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>> > Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ? > Negative. > Negative tension! Wow!
Hmm… some big steel rods stuck one end on a bridge, one end on a "tuner" thing… hmm… that’s a great (& dangerous) idea for a percussion instrument… eh? Any suggestions for industrial stuff with lots of banging on resonant metal stuff, btw? I haven’t really managed to find anything like what I have in mind… — ( -
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> Thanks, I’ll give it a try. > As for the tension, the idea never crossed my mind. > Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ?
Actually it’s the other way around. Nylon strings tend to be fatter – to get the mass – and lower tension than equivalent steel strings. If you were intending to use plain nylon strings on the sinsonido you would either have to get special extra fat strings made, or use strings with metal wound round a nylon core. Double bass strings, even ‘gut’ strings’, usually have steel windings around them. If you are going to be tuning this to piccollo pitch you should be able to use the low EADG from a classical guitar set – if you get a set that is plain (rather than a ball end set) they are usually quite long to accomodate guitars where the strings attach to a plate at the end of the body, rather than plugging into the bridge with a little peg. Thomastik-Infeld make a set of strings for acoustic bass guitars which are round wound phosphor bronze over nylon core – these sound like the closest to what you’re trying to achieve. As far as I’m aware all the other bronze bass acoustic strings are over a steel core. — Derek — Many Hands – Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ? >Negative. > Negative tension! Wow! > I’ll bet you need a double action truss rod to use those strings… > — Derek
Not if you store it in a black hole when not in use. — O< "Hey, who’s da’ U-boat Captain?" /() ^^ Slidell, LA
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks, I’ll give it a try. > As for the tension, the idea never crossed my mind. > Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ? > — > Henry! >>Hi all, >>As you know, I’m pretty weird in my ways of plating and I’d like to try > some >>Nylon Classical Guitar strings on the Aria Sinsonido. >>Those strings are of course too short for a bass. >>Does any of you have a source for long scale classical nylon strings ? >>Oh, and of course, a cheap solution would be the best. I won’t spend 150 >>Euros/USD for a set of Double Bass strings. >>Thanks to y’all >>– >>Henry! >Hi Henry, have you taken a look at Thomastic Infeld? they may have >something "different" for you to try, but I think your best bet would be >strings coated with thick nylon, like Elixir Polyweb. >I imagine that the tension would probably be too much on a all nylon > string? >Chris
I was thinking the other way around, that the tension would be too much for the nylon strings (longer scale, more tension) but I really don’t have anything to back that up, it was just a thought. Chris
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> Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ?
Negative. — O< "Hey, who’s da’ U-boat Captain?" /() ^^ Slidell, LA
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> > Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ? > Negative.
Negative tension! Wow! I’ll bet you need a double action truss rod to use those strings… — Derek — Many Hands – Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
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Thanks, I’ll give it a try. As for the tension, the idea never crossed my mind. Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ? — Henry! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > As you know, I’m pretty weird in my ways of plating and I’d like to try some > Nylon Classical Guitar strings on the Aria Sinsonido. > Those strings are of course too short for a bass. > Does any of you have a source for long scale classical nylon strings ? > Oh, and of course, a cheap solution would be the best. I won’t spend 150 > Euros/USD for a set of Double Bass strings. > Thanks to y’all > — > Henry! > Hi Henry, have you taken a look at Thomastic Infeld? they may have > something "different" for you to try, but I think your best bet would be > strings coated with thick nylon, like Elixir Polyweb. > I imagine that the tension would probably be too much on a all nylon string? > Chris
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> Thanks, I’ll give it a try. > As for the tension, the idea never crossed my mind. > Nylon strings have a greater tension than steel ?
No they don’t. (Double bass strings aren’t anywhere near the same thing as classical guitar strings. They’re more like big flatwound strings.) — ( -
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Hi all, As you know, I’m pretty weird in my ways of plating and I’d like to try some Nylon Classical Guitar strings on the Aria Sinsonido. Those strings are of course too short for a bass. Does any of you have a source for long scale classical nylon strings ? Oh, and of course, a cheap solution would be the best. I won’t spend 150 Euros/USD for a set of Double Bass strings. Thanks to y’all — Henry!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi all, > As you know, I’m pretty weird in my ways of plating and I’d like to try some > Nylon Classical Guitar strings on the Aria Sinsonido. > Those strings are of course too short for a bass. > Does any of you have a source for long scale classical nylon strings ? > Oh, and of course, a cheap solution would be the best. I won’t spend 150 > Euros/USD for a set of Double Bass strings. > Thanks to y’all > — > Henry!
Hi Henry, have you taken a look at Thomastic Infeld? they may have something "different" for you to try, but I think your best bet would be strings coated with thick nylon, like Elixir Polyweb. I imagine that the tension would probably be too much on a all nylon string? Chris
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, > As you know, I’m pretty weird in my ways of plating and I’d like to > try some > Nylon Classical Guitar strings on the Aria Sinsonido. > Those strings are of course too short for a bass. > Does any of you have a source for long scale classical nylon strings ? > Oh, and of course, a cheap solution would be the best. I won’t spend 150 > Euros/USD for a set of Double Bass strings. > Thanks to y’all > — > Henry! > Hi Henry, have you taken a look at Thomastic Infeld? they may have > something "different" for you to try, but I think your best bet would be > strings coated with thick nylon, like Elixir Polyweb. > I imagine that the tension would probably be too much on a all nylon > string? > Chris
Yea, the Thomastick Phosphor bronze bass strings are just like the lower 3 (bronze wrapped nylon) strings on a classical guitar. If you want something like the un-wrapped higher 3 strings… go fish. — O< "Hey, who’s da’ U-boat Captain?" /() ^^ Slidell, LA
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