Ric Basses
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Yep. But it seems like it’s one of a kind. — Henry! "Your shoes have got to match what colour guitar you’re playing. I had this black guitar and I was going, ‘Gem, I can’t seem to dress with this guitar’." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow, wow, wow… > You had a Sunn Beta Bass. > Which one ? The 1×15 or 2×15" ? > It was the 1×15 compact. > I have a 2×15" and I cannot seem to find any infos on this one. > You have a great amp there!
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In his club days used to go see Sheehan and Talas every weekend for years. I would stand right in front of Billy and watch. He basically taught me how to play bass just by me watching him. The thing is, I never really TRIED to copy him, unlike the guys who slavishly copied Van Halen. What I did do was pay attention to his techniques, feel, sound, fingerings, scales he used, as well as his stage presence and the way he worked the crowd. I enjoyed hearing the same songs played differently each night, and how the vibe of the room changed them – a feature that is sorely lacking in many rock bands, period. And unlike most 80’s bands, his solo spot wasn’t written out – it was all improvised. When it was time for me to step out on stage, I put what I had learned from him together with my other influences and opinions on music. THAT is how you develop a style all your own. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know I probably quote Billy too much, but I remember Sheehan saying > this: Out of the 500 or so bands you are going to be in, maybe 10 of > them might allow you to play a solo in, for about 10 second, maybe > 30." And he went on to say that is a heck of a lot of time to spend > learning how to do something just for 10 second. IE concentrating > your effort on a unique aspect, just to have it shine, in a one in a > million chance. He himself thinks with his style that he has created > quite a few monsters out there. Myself included. I sometimes like > that the fact that I can do trils and rakes (the bass equivilent of > Sweep Picking) and do some stuff on my bass that would put quite a few > guitar solos to shame. But for what use? 10 seconds out of my life? > Hmm. It’s good I took the time to be a regular bassist first. Again, > it’s nice to learn how to be unique, but take some time to listen to > some of Billy Sheehan’s bass lines in the bands he played in…he only > showed off, when it was time to….the standard parts of his bass > lines were very, very simple, and accomodating. > -Thom
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? > > Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s > > I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot > > anyway! > > Steve "Dude" Barr > > http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! > > http://www.TheDudePit.com > > http://www.VintageBass.com > I used it for a while. All I did was manage to piss off the guitarists. They > felt that I was treading on "their" territory. > While it was a novel idea, it didn’t really sound that good anyway. The bass > belongs down low. That is its function. Take up guitar if you’re not happy > playing bass. > I now play both guitar and bass, and switch back and forth according to my > mood. I now have no need to try to turn the bass into an up front > instrument. I used to get pissed when someone would say this to me, but it > turns out to be the truth. > Of course, one can play the bass anyway they wish. It just gets real tough > at times trying to find a band that is looking for a lead bassist. <G> > Ed Cregger
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Entwistle had to make up for the fact that his guitar player sucked ass. He may be a great songwriter, but Townshend sure as hell was no guitar god. In a similar but much more talented vein, James Jamerson would not have been able to play his signature syncopations if the drums played more than backbeats. Think about it. Bill Wyman was able to do his thing because of Charlie Watts’ elegantly simple drumming, and Keith Richards’ supportive guitar playing. In order for one player to play more, the rest have to play less. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> << The bass belongs down low. That is its function. Take up guitar if you’re > not happy > playing bass.>> (Ed Cregger) > I’m sure I’m not the only person who’s glad John Entwistle didn’t take your > advice. The function of any instrument is ultimately defined by the player. If > everybody followed your reasoning, bass playing would not have progressed over > the last 40 years. > My band’s site: > www.strongerthandirt.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <<I’m just a funnin’ ya, John.>> > (Ed Cregger) > Whoops! Well I got sucked right in. > <<That is the kind of crap that I used to have directed at me whenever I tried > to explore new territory with the bass guitar. And I was always exploring, > much to the chagrin of other band members. <G> >> > My band never has a problem with me straying from "standard" bass tones or > trying something different, but I think I’m good at staying out of the way when > I should and not stepping on the other guys. > My band’s site: > www.strongerthandirt.com
I have had a problem expressing humor properly all of my life, or so my wife tells me. I believe her. I’m not judgemental regarding artistic expression (‘cept rap!). I do try to kid folks and it comes off as sounding serious. My bad. Ed Cregger
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<<I’m just a funnin’ ya, John.>> (Ed Cregger) Whoops! Well I got sucked right in. <<That is the kind of crap that I used to have directed at me whenever I tried to explore new territory with the bass guitar. And I was always exploring, much to the chagrin of other band members. <G> >> My band never has a problem with me straying from "standard" bass tones or trying something different, but I think I’m good at staying out of the way when I should and not stepping on the other guys. My band’s site: www.strongerthandirt.com
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> << The bass belongs down low. That is its function. Take up guitar if you’re > not happy > playing bass.>> (Ed Cregger) > I’m sure I’m not the only person who’s glad John Entwistle didn’t take your > advice. The function of any instrument is ultimately defined by the player. If > everybody followed your reasoning, bass playing would not have progressed over > the last 40 years. > My band’s site: > www.strongerthandirt.com
I’m just a funnin’ ya, John. That is the kind of crap that I used to have directed at me whenever I tried to explore new territory with the bass guitar. And I was always exploring, much to the chagrin of other band members. <G> Ed Cregger
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>Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? > Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s > I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot > anyway!
Not only do I use it on my 4001, but I rewired my 4003s/5 (which comes mono) to have one, also my Steinberger XT25 and the custom fretless and 8-string I had made. I also don’t get the comments about messing with guitarists. I do EQ the two signals differently, but I see no point in running the treble signal up that far. Just allows me to give each pickup the individual attention it deserves. — –Llarry Amrose "I did not go to his funeral, but I wrote a nice letter saying I approved of it." — Mark Twain
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> BTDT, and yes, it is neat. But all I succeeded in doing was pissing off > the > guitarists in the band. The drummer was confused. Excuse me, I mean he > was more confused. > Yeah, I stepped on guitarists, that was my thing back then. And if they > didn’t cringe sufficiently, I added a Mu-Tron III on the bridge pickup.
Yes, the good old Mutron III envelope follower was a good device. Back then, it and a flanger were about the best two effects available for bass guitar. Ed Cregger
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I know I probably quote Billy too much, but I remember Sheehan saying this: Out of the 500 or so bands you are going to be in, maybe 10 of them might allow you to play a solo in, for about 10 second, maybe 30." And he went on to say that is a heck of a lot of time to spend learning how to do something just for 10 second. IE concentrating your effort on a unique aspect, just to have it shine, in a one in a million chance. He himself thinks with his style that he has created quite a few monsters out there. Myself included. I sometimes like that the fact that I can do trils and rakes (the bass equivilent of Sweep Picking) and do some stuff on my bass that would put quite a few guitar solos to shame. But for what use? 10 seconds out of my life? Hmm. It’s good I took the time to be a regular bassist first. Again, it’s nice to learn how to be unique, but take some time to listen to some of Billy Sheehan’s bass lines in the bands he played in…he only showed off, when it was time to….the standard parts of his bass lines were very, very simple, and accomodating. -Thom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? > Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s > I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot > anyway! > Steve "Dude" Barr > http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! > http://www.TheDudePit.com > http://www.VintageBass.com > I used it for a while. All I did was manage to piss off the guitarists. They > felt that I was treading on "their" territory. > While it was a novel idea, it didn’t really sound that good anyway. The bass > belongs down low. That is its function. Take up guitar if you’re not happy > playing bass. > I now play both guitar and bass, and switch back and forth according to my > mood. I now have no need to try to turn the bass into an up front > instrument. I used to get pissed when someone would say this to me, but it > turns out to be the truth. > Of course, one can play the bass anyway they wish. It just gets real tough > at times trying to find a band that is looking for a lead bassist. <G> > Ed Cregger
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> BTDT, and yes, it is neat. But all I succeeded in doing was pissing off the > guitarists in the band. The drummer was confused. Excuse me, I mean he > was more confused.
Yeah, I stepped on guitarists, that was my thing back then. And if they didn’t cringe sufficiently, I added a Mu-Tron III on the bridge pickup.
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> Wow, wow, wow… > You had a Sunn Beta Bass. > Which one ? The 1×15 or 2×15" ?
It was the 1×15 compact. > I have a 2×15" and I cannot seem to find any infos on this one.
You have a great amp there!
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>>I thought Ric-o-sound was what defined bands like Rush and Yes! > You are confusing "Ric-o-sound" with annoyingly busy drummers, > pretentious lyrics, intricate chord structures and vocalists that sing > like women.
POST OF THE YEAR!
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> Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature?
This should answer it: http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/mccorp/axtbassarticle1.html http://personal.nbnet.nb.ca/mccorp/axtbassarticle2.html David Axt
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<< The bass belongs down low. That is its function. Take up guitar if you’re not happy playing bass.>> (Ed Cregger) I’m sure I’m not the only person who’s glad John Entwistle didn’t take your advice. The function of any instrument is ultimately defined by the player. If everybody followed your reasoning, bass playing would not have progressed over the last 40 years. My band’s site: www.strongerthandirt.com
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>> I thought Ric-o-sound was what defined bands like Rush and Yes! > You are confusing "Ric-o-sound" with annoyingly busy drummers, > pretentious lyrics, intricate chord structures and vocalists that sing > like women.
In the vocalist category, you could have mentioned Robert Plant. But hey, these bands have millions of fans. They can’t be all wrong. JP
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That’s what they said about Hitler. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I thought Ric-o-sound was what defined bands like Rush and Yes! > You are confusing "Ric-o-sound" with annoyingly busy drummers, > pretentious lyrics, intricate chord structures and vocalists that sing > like women. > In the vocalist category, you could have mentioned Robert Plant. > But hey, these bands have millions of fans. They can’t be all wrong. > JP
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? >> Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s >> I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot >> anyway! >> Steve "Dude" Barr >> http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! >> http://www.TheDudePit.com >> http://www.VintageBass.com > I thought Ric-o-sound was what defined bands like Rush and Yes! > Ya, It definitely did define those bands! > Geddy Lee has always run his Rickenbacker in stereo and now that he plays a > Fender Jazz,
Acually, Ged has played a Jazz bass since day one. It’s a ‘73 model!
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>Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? > Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s > I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot > anyway! > Steve "Dude" Barr > http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! > http://www.TheDudePit.com > http://www.VintageBass.com
I used it for a while. All I did was manage to piss off the guitarists. They felt that I was treading on "their" territory. While it was a novel idea, it didn’t really sound that good anyway. The bass belongs down low. That is its function. Take up guitar if you’re not happy playing bass. I now play both guitar and bass, and switch back and forth according to my mood. I now have no need to try to turn the bass into an up front instrument. I used to get pissed when someone would say this to me, but it turns out to be the truth. Of course, one can play the bass anyway they wish. It just gets real tough at times trying to find a band that is looking for a lead bassist. <G> Ed Cregger
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway > so it’s kinna moot anyway! > I did about 25 years ago thru a Sunn Beta Bass (2 channels with fully > parametric mids, used separate channels for each pickup). It’s a radically > different thing, well worth playing with. At the time I was looking for a > super raw sound and that did the trick. I probably ought to get another one > and fool with things like running the bridge pickup only through effects and > leaving the neck pickup dry, etc.
BTDT, and yes, it is neat. But all I succeeded in doing was pissing off the guitarists in the band. The drummer was confused. Excuse me, I mean he was more confused. Ed Cregger
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Wow, wow, wow… You had a Sunn Beta Bass. Which one ? The 1×15 or 2×15" ? I have a 2×15" and I cannot seem to find any infos on this one. — Henry! "Your shoes have got to match what colour guitar you’re playing. I had this black guitar and I was going, ‘Gem, I can’t seem to dress with this guitar’." – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway > so it’s kinna moot anyway! > I did about 25 years ago thru a Sunn Beta Bass (2 channels with fully > parametric mids, used separate channels for each pickup). It’s a radically > different thing, well worth playing with. At the time I was looking for a > super raw sound and that did the trick. I probably ought to get another one > and fool with things like running the bridge pickup only through effects and > leaving the neck pickup dry, etc.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? > Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s > I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot > anyway! > Steve "Dude" Barr > http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! > http://www.TheDudePit.com > http://www.VintageBass.com > I thought Ric-o-sound was what defined bands like Rush and Yes!
Ya, It definitely did define those bands! Geddy Lee has always run his Rickenbacker in stereo and now that he plays a Fender Jazz, it too has also been wired for stereo. It simply offers more tonal opportunities by splitting each pickup into a separate signal. Each signal can be run into separate amps/cabs to maximize the effect… If you don’t want or need this, run it in the regular jack. Neat feature IMHO BH
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>Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature?
Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot anyway! Steve "Dude" Barr http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! http://www.TheDudePit.com http://www.VintageBass.com
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature? > Nope…just most 4001’s and 4403’s > I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway so it’s kinna moot > anyway! > Steve "Dude" Barr > http://www.schoolofbass.com May 6th – 9th 2004! > http://www.TheDudePit.com > http://www.VintageBass.com
I thought Ric-o-sound was what defined bands like Rush and Yes!
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> I don’t know a single person who uses that jack anyway > so it’s kinna moot anyway!
I did about 25 years ago thru a Sunn Beta Bass (2 channels with fully parametric mids, used separate channels for each pickup). It’s a radically different thing, well worth playing with. At the time I was looking for a super raw sound and that did the trick. I probably ought to get another one and fool with things like running the bridge pickup only through effects and leaving the neck pickup dry, etc.
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Do all models of Rickenbacker basses have the rik-o-sound feature?
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