Guitar/Bass Guitar Question
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> Think about other bass players as well that you already know.. Sting.. > Paul Mcartney.. .. John Kerry 
Was there a question here? Brian
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Think about other bass players as well that you already know.. Sting.. Paul Mcartney.. .. John Kerry
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> I would suggest that most people who play bass in bands probably started > on guitar, but this doesn’t mean they are bass players – mostly they are > guitarists who couldn’t get a gig playing guitar!.
Good point! Being a bass player has as much to do with desire and attitude as it does with ability. No matter how good you are on bass, if you still think of yourself primarily as a guitarist you ARE a guitarist. I consider myself primarily a bassist because I prefer it to guitar, and it doesn’t really matter that I played guitar first. — Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA Amateur curmudgeon, equal opportunity annoyer
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> people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, …/… > c) bass guitar is not a solo instrument.
Stanley Clarke started on the violin. He did quite a few bass guitar bass, although I believe he has given up on guitar bass and exclusively plays on stand up bass now. Yves. —- http://www.cuug.ab.ca/dorfsmay http://www.SollerS.ca
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a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first,
They’re nuts b) I don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true),
Get a metranome and practice with it and c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument.
It can be, up to you
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> We’ve got two lads at work who play guitar, and they both had a try on > it. Initially I was extremely impressed with how well they did, but then > I realised they were playing guitar on the bass, not actually playing > bass at all.
Whenever I pick up a guitar, I end up playing bass lines or melody lines! To the origonal poster, I started with a bass and not a guitar. I also play keyboards which helped with the chord theory, but it isn’t necessary to start with. Rhythm can be learnt, although it really needs to be felt if you to be really good and I am not sure rhythm feel can be learnt – subject for a new thread may be? Give it a try.
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"a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first,
No, no no no… As numerable others have said, many do start on guitar, but it don’t mean you should. I didn’t. (I started on tuba). I cannot play guitar for toffee. Its all to do with approach. I cannot get my head around those little six stringed beasties. b) I > don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true)
Everyone has rhythm. Believe in yourself! c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument.
see other answers… neal. —
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> As far as rhythm, one of my musical mentors told me years ago that > "Drums keep time for the audience, but the bass player keeps time for > the band."
Write that large and put up on your practice room wall. To my mind it’s the soul of bass playing. In addition, you do need to learn to follow the chord changes of the tunes you play. For the bass, you express those changes through scales, rather than chords, but how you use the scales will come from those chords. I’m not talking about learning the chords, just being able to hear them. -Raf — Misifus- Rafael Seibert http://www.ralphandsue.com
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Ed, that was sarcasm. I drive a Geo fer Chrissake. Man, tough crowd… — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmm…Guitarists critiquing rhythm skills. Interesting… > BTW you don’t have to play guitar first to play bass. In fact, it’s > preferable (to me anyway) that you don’t. They are two different > instruments > with two different approaches. > I didn’t start out on guitar either, and just look how rich and successful > I’ve become. > Umm, I’ll bet that you are living better than Saddam Hussein and look how > rich and successful he was – for a while. The point being that no matter how > rich or successful one becomes, eventually we return to the Earth. Can you > imagine how awful pending death must be when all you have to show for your > life is money and fame? > Measuring one’s success has more to do with personal growth, in my opinion, > than riches or fame. Unfortunately, our society judges musicians by > standards that they would never apply to non musicians. This is one area > where it is not good to follow the crowd. > Ed Cregger
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John said…"> Ed, that was sarcasm. I drive a Geo fer Chrissake." Braggart! 
Joe. — Enjoy the ride, enjoy the ride. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/9/joesanchez.htm http://www.trainwreckblues.com http://www.garageband.com/artist/bigstevetrainwreck Our new CD is now for sale! —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ed, that was sarcasm. I drive a Geo fer Chrissake. > Man, tough crowd… > — > Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm > "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — > George Orwell message > > Hmm…Guitarists critiquing rhythm skills. Interesting… > > BTW you don’t have to play guitar first to play bass. In fact, it’s > > preferable (to me anyway) that you don’t. They are two different > instruments > > with two different approaches. > > I didn’t start out on guitar either, and just look how rich and > successful > > I’ve become. > Umm, I’ll bet that you are living better than Saddam Hussein and look how > rich and successful he was – for a while. The point being that no matter > how > rich or successful one becomes, eventually we return to the Earth. Can you > imagine how awful pending death must be when all you have to show for your > life is money and fame? > Measuring one’s success has more to do with personal growth, in my > opinion, > than riches or fame. Unfortunately, our society judges musicians by > standards that they would never apply to non musicians. This is one area > where it is not good to follow the crowd. > Ed Cregger
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||| a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts ||| out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I ||| don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a ||| group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) ||| bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass ||| guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? || || I would suggest that most people who play bass in bands probably || started on guitar, but this doesn’t mean they are bass players – || mostly they are guitarists who couldn’t get a gig playing guitar!. That’s only true of a limited number of mediocre bass players. They don’t survive anyway. In over half of the bands I’ve played bass in, I could do the guitarist’s job better than he could but I’ve yet to play in a band where the guitarist could come close to laying down a solid bass line. Not that they aren’t out there but it’s a rarity. || || If you start by playing bass you have more chance of becoming a || ‘proper’ bass player, rather than a guitarist pretending to be a || bass player. || || Good bass players are rare beasts, good guitarists are ‘ten a penny’. Exactly. || || Interesting enough, my daughter had a new 5 string bass a few months || ago, and she brought it in to my work for me to bring home in the || car. || || We’ve got two lads at work who play guitar, and they both had a try || on it. Initially I was extremely impressed with how well they did, || but then I realised they were playing guitar on the bass, not || actually playing bass at all. || || My daughter has recently started learning guitar as well as bass, || and I notice she often drops back to playing bass on the guitar. || || My personal opinion! – if you want to learn bass, just learn bass, || you can add guitar later – extra skills never hurt, but by learning || bass first you will become a ‘proper’ bass player. Not neccesarily. The skill sets are very similar but if a guitarist doesn’t learn to approach the instrument as a bass then he’ll sound like a guitarist that picked up a bass for a lark. || || As you say, a bass isn’t really a solo instrument, although you can || get some impressive solos from one – but busking probably doesn’t || work well!. Give me a 7/8 string bass and the right corner and I’ll busk all day long. JD
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> Hmm…Guitarists critiquing rhythm skills. Interesting… > BTW you don’t have to play guitar first to play bass. In fact, it’s > preferable (to me anyway) that you don’t. They are two different instruments > with two different approaches. > I didn’t start out on guitar either, and just look how rich and successful > I’ve become.
Umm, I’ll bet that you are living better than Saddam Hussein and look how rich and successful he was – for a while. The point being that no matter how rich or successful one becomes, eventually we return to the Earth. Can you imagine how awful pending death must be when all you have to show for your life is money and fame? Measuring one’s success has more to do with personal growth, in my opinion, than riches or fame. Unfortunately, our society judges musicians by standards that they would never apply to non musicians. This is one area where it is not good to follow the crowd. Ed Cregger
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>a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts >out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I >don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a >group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) >bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass >guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why?
I would suggest that most people who play bass in bands probably started on guitar, but this doesn’t mean they are bass players – mostly they are guitarists who couldn’t get a gig playing guitar!. If you start by playing bass you have more chance of becoming a ‘proper’ bass player, rather than a guitarist pretending to be a bass player. Good bass players are rare beasts, good guitarists are ‘ten a penny’. Interesting enough, my daughter had a new 5 string bass a few months ago, and she brought it in to my work for me to bring home in the car. We’ve got two lads at work who play guitar, and they both had a try on it. Initially I was extremely impressed with how well they did, but then I realised they were playing guitar on the bass, not actually playing bass at all. My daughter has recently started learning guitar as well as bass, and I notice she often drops back to playing bass on the guitar. My personal opinion! – if you want to learn bass, just learn bass, you can add guitar later – extra skills never hurt, but by learning bass first you will become a ‘proper’ bass player. As you say, a bass isn’t really a solo instrument, although you can get some impressive solos from one – but busking probably doesn’t work well!. — Nigel Goodwin C.Farmer Ltd. Matlock
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> my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)?
That hasn’t stopped most of the singers I’ve worked with. 
) Jay S
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> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it > was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially > since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). > I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but > people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I > don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass > guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass > guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway > – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in > advance. > -Sceadu
If you like the way it sounds, go for it. Knowing how to play guitar is not a requirement and in fact may be a hinderance if you really want to be a *bass* player. For example, many bassists I know are able to find keys faster than many guitarists. Since bass players don’t use mechanical pitch shifters, i.e. capos, to change their instrument’s key to match the song, they have to learn to identify keys and intervals within songs quickly and accurately. As far as rhythm, one of my musical mentors told me years ago that "Drums keep time for the audience, but the bass player keeps time for the band." Like Bill Chandler said, if you can tap your foot to a tune, you’ve got the capacity. There are so many outstanding bass soloists out there, in all different genres of music, that I’d seriously question the motives of someone who tells you that "bass guitar is not a solo instrument." Of course, they probably also neglected to tell you that the bass player is *always* the hottest member of any musical ensemble–in other words, they’re trying to get the gig for themselves. It’s a great instrument and, even if all you do is play along with the stereo, it’s tons of fun. I hope you take the plunge. Happy tunes, scott "blind dog smith" kiefer
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Hmm…Guitarists critiquing rhythm skills. Interesting… BTW you don’t have to play guitar first to play bass. In fact, it’s preferable (to me anyway) that you don’t. They are two different instruments with two different approaches. I didn’t start out on guitar either, and just look how rich and successful I’ve become. — Learning funk bass? visit www.js3jazz.com/store.htm "Speaking the Truth in times of Universal deceit is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it > was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially > since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). > I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but > people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I > don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass > guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass > guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway > – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in > advance. > -Sceadu
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> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it was > cello, badly),
Why did you quit? If you wanted to continue but couldn’t for some reason, you’ll probably enjoy bass … or any other instrument. If you lost interest because of no one to play with, you MIGHT enjoy jamming with other musicians and bass would be a good choice. If you just lost interest in playing cello, only you can decide if you’re more likely to take playing a bass seriously. > I want to take up an instrument again (especially since I’m > in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). I like the > sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but people have > objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts out by playing > regular guitar, so I should study that first,
Not really true — the legendary Jaco Pastorius, to name one, was a drummer before he took up the bass. Most electric bassists do seem to start on guitar, and you’ll learn things playing guitar that will help with learning bass. But if you aren’t interested in guitar, go straight to the bass and find a good instructor — that way you won’t have any "bad" guitar-related habits to unlearn. > b) I don’t have the rhythm > needed to play bass guitar in a group/band/ensemble/anything other than > solo (this is true),
Okay, get a bass AND a metronome. And maybe a Tascam Bass Trainer, so you can learn to play "in a band" by playing along with all your favorite CDs. > and c) bass guitar is not a solo instrument.
It can be, as any number of bassists have proved. The most important factor in playing any instrument has to be motivation. Even a totally tone-deaf person can learn to play after a fashion, although why such a person would want to play music is beyond me. Your rhythm will probably improve considerably with practice. If the bass guitar "speaks to you" and you’re really serious about wanting to learn, go for it! — Walter Luffman Medina, TN USA Amateur curmudgeon, equal opportunity annoyer
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||| After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it ||| was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially ||| since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have ||| guitars). ||| I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but ||| people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts ||| out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I ||| don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a ||| group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) ||| bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass ||| guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass ||| guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing ||| anyway – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks ||| in ||| advance. ||| -Sceadu || || If you like the way it sounds, go for it. Knowing how to play guitar || is not a requirement and in fact may be a hinderance if you really || want to be a *bass* player. For example, many bassists I know are || able || to find keys faster than many guitarists. Since bass players don’t || use || mechanical pitch shifters, i.e. capos, to change their instrument’s || key to match the song, they have to learn to identify keys and || intervals within songs quickly and accurately. || || As far as rhythm, one of my musical mentors told me years ago that || "Drums keep time for the audience, but the bass player keeps time for || the band." Like Bill Chandler said, if you can tap your foot to a || tune, you’ve got the capacity. || || There are so many outstanding bass soloists out there, in all || different genres of music, that I’d seriously question the motives || of || someone who tells you that "bass guitar is not a solo instrument." Of || course, they probably also neglected to tell you that the bass player || is *always* the hottest member of any musical ensemble–in other || words, they’re trying to get the gig for themselves. || || It’s a great instrument and, even if all you do is play along with || the || stereo, it’s tons of fun. I hope you take the plunge. || || Happy tunes, || scott "blind dog smith" kiefer I subscribe more to the Todd Snider tune; "The eyes in the room is all lookin’ at the star but their butts are all shakin’ to the bass guitar". Jump into all the way; get a 5 string fretless (none of them weenie lines inlaid into it), get Zen and find out just how much of a solo instrument a bass can be. If you can find any recordings of a band called Sadhappy (just 2 bass players and a drummer) you’ll be left with no doubt as to the solo capabilities of bass. JD
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the following, and served it to the group: >After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it >was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially >since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). >I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but >people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts >out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I >don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a >group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) >bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass >guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass >guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway >- as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in >advance. >-Sceadu
Well, others have already given you some great responses, but I’d just like to say that a) is not necessarily true, although it was in my case, and b) is a matter of learning, not nature (imnsho), and c) when drums stop, then comes bass solo (sorry, bad joke there)…bass is an instrument. Like any other. Tuba isn’t supposed to be a solo instrument, either…but go try and tell Ray Draper or Howard Johnson that. If you can tap your foot to a song you’re listening to, the rhythm thing is there. You just have to train it. If you want to play, then you need to play. Do it. A word of warning, though…from one who plays guitar and bass…if they find out you can play bass (and sing, especially), they’ll NEVER let you play guitar in the band again. Trust me on this one. Bill (been there…am there again…but it’s a great band) Chandler —– "The truth knocks on the door, and you say, ‘Go away, I’m looking for the truth,’ and so it goes away. Puzzling." –Robert M. Pirsig, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" the above e-mail address remains totally fictional. …please check out my music at http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/Bill_Chandler/ some time… …TX-2 Pictures at http://www.concentric.net/~Bc9424/index.html …TX-4 Pictures at http://bc9424.cnc.net/tx_4_web/tx4_main.htm Bill Chandler …bc…
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> no rhythm? You need to play keyboards…..
or drums . . . — -don hindenach- donh at audiosys dot com
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> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it > was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially > since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars).
So, if your mates all decide to start a band, or even jam, there will be much greater competition. A band with five guitarists will tend to sound pretty much crap unless they are very talented and disciplined guitarists. If you take up another instrument, bass or (as someone else suggested) mandolin, you’re more likely to be get to play in group situations as your chosen ‘voice’ won’t clash with the guitars. > I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up,
When choosing an instrument to play, I’d always recommend going for whatever voice speaks to you on a visceral level. If you hear the sound of a kazoo and your ears go "Yes!" take up the kazoo no matter what anyone says about kazoo as a solo instrument, or kazoo in rock or jazz – if it’s the kazoo that speaks to you then that is your instrument. All you have to do after that is learn to play it. > but > people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first,
Stuff and nonsense. A fair number of people take this path but it is far from universal or necessary. Anyway, you already started out on cello – if any of that learning stuck it will be far more useful to you as a bass player than anything you’re likely to learn on guitar. > b) I don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true),
If you don’t have the rhythm needed to play in a band, you’ve an even bigger problem for playing solo. > and c) bass guitar is not a solo instrument.
Any instrument can be a solo instrument, if the music played on it solo is interesting enough. However, there are a few physical constraints on bass instruments which tend to make them less often used as solo instruments. Firstly they are physically more difficult to play – strings are harder to pluck, wind is harder to blow etc. So more skill is required to play fast, clean, lines than on a higher pitched instrument. Low frequency notes take longer to develop and longer for the ear to distinguish – and some peoples ears can’t distinguish low notes at all! – so a fast passage played in the lower registers on a bass guitar or tuba will tend to sound muddy with respect to the same passage played on a guitar or trumpet. Low frequency notes also required more energy for the same apparent volume – which is why bass instruments (or speaker stacks) are typically so much larger than those of their higher frequency cousins. Higher pitched notes tend to cut through the band/orchestra more easily than lower pitched notes – so when the bass solo happens everyone else has to pull back, which they might not like – in fact they often simply stop playing completely and leave the bass player hanging out to dry… So, solos on bass tend to be either played in the higher registers (which leads people to the "if you want to sound like a guitar, why not play a guitar! idiocy") or be slow and sensitive – which is hard to do on any instrument. However, if you’re not planning on public performances much of the above doesn’t apply. You’ll be able to hear yourself clearly as there are no other instruments to compete with, you’ll be able to play passages at a tempo you find comfortable and you’ll only play notes you can clearly hear. — Derek — Many Hands – Trans Cultural Music from Aotearoa/New Zealand http://www.manyhands.co.nz/
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> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it > was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially > since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). > I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but > people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I > don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass > guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass > guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway > – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in > advance. > -Sceadu
I’d go with a mandolin, everybody and their brother plays a guitar, mandos are very portable and tuned in 5ths and fairly easy to learn, there may be ten guys around the fire, with 6 guitars you’ll stand out with 1 mando, why not be different. mandos are not just for bluegrass anymore. — Regards, Guy-Harold Smith II Smith357 R100S_BMW
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After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in advance. -Sceadu
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> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it > was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially > since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). > I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but > people have objected that:
a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first,
Not necessarily but some knowledge of chord theory will help. b) I > don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and
If you don’t have the rhythm to play bass you won’t have the rhythm to play anything. c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass > guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass > guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway > – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in > advance. > -Sceadu
Bass can be a solo instrument – look at Jaco P and others – but it’s main function is in a band setting. A good bass player will never be out of work. You’ll get bitten by the bug and be out playing every night for real while your college mates are still widdling away in their dorms. Good luck, Tim www.littleroots.com
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no rhythm? You need to play keyboards….. — David DeVos – JUST the bass player http://www.amyyoung.org http://www.tallmadgemill.com/rcmusic.html http://kf8ql.homestead.com
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> After not playing an instrument for several years (and back then it > was cello, badly), I want to take up an instrument again (especially > since I’m in college and half the student body seem to have guitars). > I like the sound of bass guitar, and would like to take it up, but > people have objected that: a) everyone that plays bass guitar starts > out by playing regular guitar, so I should study that first, b) I > don’t have the rhythm needed to play bass guitar in a > group/band/ensemble/anything other than solo (this is true), and c) > bass guitar is not a solo instrument. My questions are: Do all bass > guitarists start off with regular guitar? If so, why? Why isn’t bass > guitar a solo instrument (I’m not planning on really performing anyway > – as I said, my rhythm sucks and I also can’t sing)? Thanks in > advance. > -Sceadu
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