Bass Boominess
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Hi Folks, I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had more bass happening than I did. What the hell? We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back to us. He was directly under that wall. I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real direct-like. Real bad. Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys think. Please explain this to me. Thanks. Joe.
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Need to get a real soundman. You need someone who knows the ins and outs. This guy probably had the mix all wrong. In the triangle of sound, each instrument has its place.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
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That is part of life playing bass. There are some rooms that requires or eat up the bass notes and you have to turn up. Other rooms are very lively and you just have to turn down the bass. It happens to me all the time. The thing to do in the situation you were in, is send another band member up front to check the bass if you think your not loud enough. But there are rooms you don’t have to put your bass loud in order for it to be heard. Don http://www.geocities.com/waterboy371ca/Don_LeBlanc.html
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
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That, and that fact that most guitar players have an egothe size of a concert hall. Doubt he would hae unlpugged any of his 12 Marshall stacks if you had asked him to. — John Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> That is part of life playing bass. There are some rooms that requires or > eat up the bass notes and you have to turn up. Other rooms are very lively > and you just have to turn down the bass. It happens to me all the time. > The thing to do in the situation you were in, is send another band member > up front to check the bass if you think your not loud enough. But there are > rooms you don’t have to put your bass loud in order for it to be heard. > Don > http://www.geocities.com/waterboy371ca/Don_LeBlanc.html > Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
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on a related note i had an outdoor gig last night and the drummer kept saying ‘turn down. you’re too loud’. he was sitting in front of my cab while i was sitting a metre or so from it. and the keys were louder than everyone especially when he starts putting chords down. problem is that they’d say ‘turn down’ and i’d say ‘got it’ and then just play softer. and they’d say ‘you didn’t adjust anything’. the reason for this was that if i had adjusted the volume on the amp i’d be playing 3 times as hard for 3 hours straight (almost) rather than having the ability to control dynamics. also we were playing some funk so i was left hand muting a lot of the time and he turns to me and says ‘why don’t u just turn down? i can see you’re struggling trying to keep it down by muting’….i was muting cause it was funk! Oh well! didn’t stop him from cracking a snare with hot rods every so often. Sam
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Need to get a real soundman. You need someone who knows the ins and outs. > This guy probably had the mix all wrong. In the triangle of sound, each > instrument has its place. > Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
Yes, a sound guy would be nice. Maybe in the future. What is a triangle of sound? Joe.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That is part of life playing bass. There are some rooms that requires or > eat up the bass notes and you have to turn up. Other rooms are very lively > and you just have to turn down the bass. It happens to me all the time. > The thing to do in the situation you were in, is send another band member > up front to check the bass if you think your not loud enough. But there are > rooms you don’t have to put your bass loud in order for it to be heard. > Don > http://www.geocities.com/waterboy371ca/Don_LeBlanc.html > Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
Yup, I figured that one out. I have already talked to our singer letting him know that either he does the soundcheck or I set my own volume. Thanks. Joe.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > That, and that fact that most guitar players have an egothe size of a > concert hall. Doubt he would hae unlpugged any of his 12 Marshall stacks if > you had asked him to. > — > John > Check out www.js3jazz.com to hear my tunes and get FREE bass lessons > That is part of life playing bass. There are some rooms that requires or > eat up the bass notes and you have to turn up. Other rooms are very > lively > and you just have to turn down the bass. It happens to me all the time. > The thing to do in the situation you were in, is send another band member > up front to check the bass if you think your not loud enough. But there > are > rooms you don’t have to put your bass loud in order for it to be heard. > Don > http://www.geocities.com/waterboy371ca/Don_LeBlanc.html > > Hi Folks, > > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > > more bass happening than I did. > > What the hell? > > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > > to us. > > He was directly under that wall. > > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > > direct-like. Real bad. > > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > > think. > > Please explain this to me. > > Thanks. > > Joe.
Actually he was using his Johnson Marquis (?) along with an extension cab in stereo. Our singer asked around after the gig and people said he was too loud. I was turned down so low already that he had me turn the bass down on the e.q. also. The only way I heard myself was by turning up the mids. For some gigs I can see doing that but we were in a bar for pete’s sake. Thanks. Joe.
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Man O man I can sympathize with you .I have played for 35 years , from soul ( all black but me ) to metal. and the problem is the ego thing.One episode was when we had a sound man and stage manager to get the sound right for live video taping and everytime I would run over the the lead player he thought I was bringing my bass volume up on his side of the stage ( which I wasn’t) but man did he get mad and you could see it on the video.I can’t help it if I can’t stand still! I’m busy!!!!! good luck! Rock
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> What the hell?
Joe, I’d be curious to know what your EQ settings were. The symptoms you’re describing point to the dreaded "smiley face" EQ curve — you can’t hear yourself because the smiley face makes everything an indistinguishable boom, and he thinks you’re too loud because he hears this tremendous boominess. Try this: Flatten your EQ — if you have a graphic EQ in your rig, flatten it out and take away the "smile". If you have good ol’ knobs, center them all on zero. Flatten the EQ on your active bass, too, if you have one. Now play a full-volume rehearsal that way and see if it doesn’t help — I bet it will, and you’ll be able to boost your level again without driving the guitar player nuts. Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of those full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he doesn’t want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies.
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> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of those > full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and > combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing.
Yes, and even more "mud" if the guys playing open cabinet amps, i.e. Fender Twins or similar. I couldn’t begin to tell you how many guitar players I’ve been onstage with who "droned" inarticulately so much as to make my bass indistinct. I’ve even stopped playing, and the droning continued…. Then there was the gig with Bo Diddley, and his infamous octaver played
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One of my favorite ‘worst gig’ memories is from a State Fair we played in MS. The videotape footage cracked me up. The 2 guitarists kept turning each other’s amp down when the other wasn’t looking. Then the bassist got so excited because it was his first gig that he pulled the cable out of his bass while he was jumping up and down. He didn’t even realize it for at least a full minute. I laughed so hard I dropped a stick and we had to start all over. sorry, what were we talking about again? m
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> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of those > full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and > combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he doesn’t > want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s > nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies.
First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important contribution to the band" (bad eq). Second, were you on a hollow stage? Remember, that a hollow stage can easily become a passive radiator and become boomy as hell. I filled in for a praise band last year. At the rehearsal, I had to take virtually all of my bass eq out of my signal chain to escape the stage boominess, only to have the soundman tell me that he needed to put me into the subs to get enough bass (I play a VERY high end rig, and never have a problem with this). HOWEVER, the day of the gig I placed my Aguilar 4×10 on a cushioned chair (on the hollow stage), and I was immediately able to return all of my normal settings (pre-amp essentially flat – eq from the 3 band EMG eq on the bass). In fact, the soundman had to remove me from the subs, and greatly complimented me on the sound. Try isolating yourself from the stage (then go for the guitarists eq, or both).
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No I’m the Rock from Ky. Just another oppressed bass player like most of us. he he ..The one they say is too busy over there by the drummer. You know I don’t think you can be too busy for a bar gig.Now can you ? and from midnight to 2:00 AM you can’t get too loud for them. Most drunk run up to me after the gig and tell me I’m better than Gene Simmons or some other wierd bass player that sticks in thier minds . No don’t take me wrong here I love a good mix and I know how to mix and blend but I also know most band members don’t. that is the subject here isn’t it ? I mix sound and rent eq. out for local and big name bands that come thru our area , I just love making music sound good. ( pleasant to the ear ) no matter what kind it is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Man O man I can sympathize with you .I have played for 35 years , > from soul ( all black but me ) to metal. and the problem is the ego > thing.One episode was when we had a sound man and stage manager to > get the sound right for live video taping and everytime I would run > over the the lead player he thought I was bringing my bass volume up > on his side of the stage ( which I wasn’t) but man did he get mad and > you could see it on the video.I can’t help it if I can’t stand still! > I’m busy!!!!! good luck! > Rock > Er, you wouldn’t be "Rock" who drives BART trains in the Bay Area, > would you?
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of > those full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their > own EQ, and combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of > course, he doesn’t want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you > change yours. There’s nothing can be done about guitarists like > this. You have my sympathies. > First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, > especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important > contribution to the band" (bad eq). Second, were you on a hollow > stage? Remember, that a hollow stage can easily become a passive > radiator and become boomy as hell. I filled in for a praise band last > year. At the rehearsal, I had to take virtually all of my bass eq out > of my signal chain to escape the stage boominess, only to have the > soundman tell me that he needed to put me into the subs to get enough > bass (I play a VERY high end rig, and never have a problem with this). > HOWEVER, the day of the gig I placed my Aguilar 4×10 on a cushioned > chair (on the hollow stage), and I was immediately able to return all > of my normal settings (pre-amp essentially flat – eq from the 3 band > EMG eq on the bass). In fact, the soundman had to remove me from the > subs, and greatly complimented me on the sound. Try isolating > yourself from the stage (then go for the guitarists eq, or both).
Man you hit it on the head there. The stage has so much to do with it that it isn’t funny. I have been playing a gig for 2 weeks at the same place where the owner built a stage on a concrete floor so the stage became a passive amp for the bass and the kick drum , so I set up on the floor to keep the peace.it worked. Rock
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>>Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of those >full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and >combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he doesn’t >want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s >nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies. > First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, > especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important > contribution to the band" (bad eq).
I like this comment a lot. I hate it when the guitarist sets up first, and dials in a thick rich sound. He wants it thick because he’s alone, but dosen’t realize he needs to make room for you, and let YOU handle the lows. God how I hate playing in bands. — -rob O> /() ^^
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of >> those >> full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and >> combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he >> doesn’t >> want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s >> nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies. > First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, > especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important > contribution to the band" (bad eq). > I like this comment a lot. I hate it when the guitarist sets up first, > and dials in a thick rich sound. He wants it thick because he’s alone, > but dosen’t realize he needs to make room for you, and let YOU handle > the lows.
I find brandishing a tire iron works quite well in these situations. > God how I hate playing in bands.
What other playing is there? Sure, there are band hassles from time to time, but when you find people with whom you click, there are few greater pleasures in life! 
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Amen
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of >>> those >>> full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and >>> combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he >>> doesn’t >>> want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s >>> nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies. >> First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, >> especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important >> contribution to the band" (bad eq). > I like this comment a lot. I hate it when the guitarist sets up first, > and dials in a thick rich sound. He wants it thick because he’s alone, > but dosen’t realize he needs to make room for you, and let YOU handle > the lows. > I find brandishing a tire iron works quite well in these situations. > God how I hate playing in bands. > What other playing is there? > Sure, there are band hassles from time to time, but when you find people > with whom you click, there are few greater pleasures in life! >
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Last time that happened to me I started packing up my bass since the guitarist didnt seem to need me. He changed his mind pretty quick… 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of >>> those >>> full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and >>> combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he >>> doesn’t >>> want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s >>> nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies. >> First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, >> especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important >> contribution to the band" (bad eq). > I like this comment a lot. I hate it when the guitarist sets up first, > and dials in a thick rich sound. He wants it thick because he’s alone, > but dosen’t realize he needs to make room for you, and let YOU handle > the lows. > I find brandishing a tire iron works quite well in these situations. > God how I hate playing in bands. > What other playing is there? > Sure, there are band hassles from time to time, but when you find people > with whom you click, there are few greater pleasures in life! >
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> Last time that happened to me I started packing up my bass since the > guitarist didnt seem to need me. He changed his mind pretty quick…
I like that. — -rob O> /() ^^
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Of course, it could be that the guitarist is an idiot. Many, many of those > full-crunch metal types dial in ‘way too much bass into their own EQ, and > combined with the bass guitar, it’s just overbearing. Of course, he doesn’t > want to change "his" tone, so he whines until you change yours. There’s > nothing can be done about guitarists like this. You have my sympathies. > First, this is a distinct possibility, and probably the situation, > especially with a rythym guitarist who "needs to hear his important > contribution to the band" (bad eq). Second, were you on a hollow > stage? Remember, that a hollow stage can easily become a passive > radiator and become boomy as hell. I filled in for a praise band last > year. At the rehearsal, I had to take virtually all of my bass eq out > of my signal chain to escape the stage boominess, only to have the > soundman tell me that he needed to put me into the subs to get enough > bass (I play a VERY high end rig, and never have a problem with this). > HOWEVER, the day of the gig I placed my Aguilar 4×10 on a cushioned > chair (on the hollow stage), and I was immediately able to return all > of my normal settings (pre-amp essentially flat – eq from the 3 band > EMG eq on the bass). In fact, the soundman had to remove me from the > subs, and greatly complimented me on the sound. Try isolating > yourself from the stage (then go for the guitarists eq, or both).
Hmm… Actually the balcony we were playing on that overlooked the dance floor had the restrooms directly underneath it. I guess that pretty much makes it a hollow stage. Thanks. Joe.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
I would like to thank everyone who replied to this post. You were all very helpful in some way, shape or form (even the comments about the tire iron). :-) Joe.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
How many channels do you have on the mixing desk? When I play, we tend to stick the whole lot (except drums) thru the desk, guitars an all. The amps then are just for us to hear. It’s much easier to get a good mix then. If I still can’t hear myself, then i can turn up, without playing havoc with the main mix. Oh yes, we do have a sound man too, sometimes. PS, get your wireless back, make him buy his own, and you can check the sound as well. damn guitarists are always borrowing things from the ever dependable bassist.
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>Last time that happened to me I started packing up my bass since the >guitarist didnt seem to need me. He changed his mind pretty quick…
This is something I ought to try. It’s easier than getting violent. Edward G. ‘Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.’ — Winston Churchill
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You have to remember that there are actually two mixes, the stage mix and the audience mix. If you don’t have a monitor system you may have to sacrifice your stage sound for what the audience will hear. Otherwise, what you hear on the stage is not necessarily what you will hear in the audience. Also, as you get further away from the stage, you will hear the bass more than the guitars but as the room fills with people they will absorb a lot of the bass. That’s where a good sound person comes in because they can make the adjustments so that you sound good all the time and not suck when the room is empty and great when it is full or with different songs. Todd
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Folks, > I have a quick question before I go off on someone about this. > The new band I am in played our first gig last night. An hour before > we started we had our sound check. Our lead guitar player was setting > sound levels for us and kept telling me to turn down. Then he asked > me to unplug my 15 from my 210 combo. Then started getting mad > because there was still too much bass. The other GUITAR player had > more bass happening than I did. > What the hell? > We were on a balcony overlooking the dance floor. He was on the edge > of the dance floor, about 1/3 of the room, on a wireless (he borrowed > mine, just to add insult to injury) for the sound check. > The room was a 2:5 rectangle. We were at one end. About 20 feet in > front of us was a wall separated the high ceiling of the dance floor > from the rest of the room. So…maybe our sound was reflecting back > to us. > He was directly under that wall. > I just now (the following morning) turned on the amp and plugged in to > see what the volume was (relative to the size of my garage). > In my own flippin’ garage I had to turn up! What the hell!? > I want to have a man to man discussion with this dude. Real > direct-like. Real bad. > Before I put my foot in my mouth I thought I would see what you guys > think. > Please explain this to me. > Thanks. > Joe.
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